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now)" item on the open items, and subsequent plpgsql function I sent in, made me realize it was too hard to get the upper and lower bound of an array. The attached creates two functions that I think will be very useful when combined with the ability of plpgsql to return sets. array_lower(array, dim_num) - and - array_upper(array, dim_num) They return the value (as an int) of the upper and lower bound of the requested dim in the provided array. Joe Conway